Words: Concepts: Enlightenment and (or vs) Philosophy

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  1. excellent vid 😉 I was wondering “what editing program are you using?” I love the window within window look……peace

  2. @luvthatsoy No, this whole conversation is meaningless. Whether I smoke a joint or not my philosophical understandings and back logs of scientific knowledge don’t change. There are loads of different chemicals in pot that have a wide variety of effects and to try and lump all of them into such obtuse categories as enlightening or non-enlightening is just retarded.

  3. @pronchie1 See this is why old Greek is even today unexcelled, it was meticulous in the description of each and every thing and the difference ever slightly of changes to the original. Modern languages generalize giving people the flexibility to use words with different meanings ignoring or forgetting the origin of the word.

  4. @pyrrho314 I agree with you on the difference between physical & cognitive but as with brightness we have to be careful on how the word is used. Sound is associated to hearing by most people the hearing though is the part that is cognitive different. A more accurate term would be sound wave (oscillation of pressure travelling through a medium on different frequencies) the perception of that phenomenon is hearing or feeling not sound.

  5. When thinking of enlightenment, you should compare a stoned adult to a child or baby. Many children and babies have a sense of joy that pours out of them. So do dogs, they get excited if you just look at them. So I think to say its a sense of being stoned is missing the mark.

  6. @1life1chance1986 No weed is less alert, enlightenment is more alert. Totally different

  7. @eequalsfb : no, if a recording device is there, it’s still sound, “recorded”, while it’s actually just magnets in a pattern. If there is no recorder, it still has an effect, it’s still recorded, it causes heat, etc, it’s just harder (impossible) to reconstruct into a form close to it’s original.

  8. @pronchie1 : the only solution is understanding separate senses of the term sound, there is a physical phenomenon and a cognitive one… sort the whole thing out but we lose a koan.

  9. @eequalsfb I agree the phenomenon falling tree happens regardless of whether something is perceiving it or not and that falling tree does create vibrations as it impacts with the ground which travel as waves through the air.

    You hear that as sound but a deaf person only feels the vibration and this is where you have a difference between how we perceive what happened. The one brain feels the vibration through the ears the other through the skin. Does the brain then create the same picture?

  10. i love it when people say “this is the _ time i’ve tried to make this video”

  11. I liked what you said there about how you think that meditating can’t be classified as enlightenment. I agree. Just by sitting there and honing in on certain thoughts or taking psychoactive drugs doesn’t mean you suddenly become enlightened. Enlightenment, in my opinion is a gradual process. It doesn’t have a definite end. I’m not going to jump up someday and say “Yahoo! I’ve been enlightened! I know everything”. We’re ever learning, becoming and climbing higher up the staircase of enlightenment

  12. the tree thing is just pointing out the difference between the sound and perception of sound, the hearing of a sound occurs in ur mind. of course it seems obvious, but its a simple change in perspective that can lead to further insights, many people never really pick up on

  13. INMENDHAM HAS ALLIED WITH THE GREEN GYVERS~ Is it true?? Gary cares… I see this.

  14. I have always thought that animals were more “enlightened”. The absense of thought and time. Zoning out on weed is a good example, lol. Never thought of it that way.

  15. user/BuddhistSocietyWA
    those guys are all about the enlightenment.
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    (the main guy is all about the scientific integrity too)
    I now graciously and pre-emptively accept my fuck off 🙂

  16. @oojamaflipper True. The answer is not terribly profound. There are really two ways this question can be heard.

    If we forget about the word games, and just consider all vibrations to be sounds, then the answer would be an uncontroversial “yes”.

    Taken the other way, the tree-falling-in-the-woods question shows one of two things: A lack of understanding of sound waves and what constitutes sound, or a solipsistic view of reality. Either way, the answer is a resounding “no”.

  17. @eequalsfb interesting way to put it. i was thinkin that might be the point of it. tho isn’t it really just word games at that stage? i mean those vibrations are sound waves…

  18. The tree falling in the woods makes a *vibration* if no one is there to hear it. Sound requires three things to exist: A sound source, and elastic medium (like air or water) and a receiving device (an ear or microphone).

    I don’t think Fred was saying it is like Shrodinger’s cat. He was only pointing out that it ceases to be defined as a sound without an ear listening.

  19. Perhaps enlightenment can be defined as knowledge acquired without preconceived conceptions?

  20. emphasized the use of reason to scrutinize previously accepted doctrines and traditions and that brought about many humanitarian reforms.

    I name the new word SPAD 😛 hehe

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